0. So I might be missing something. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. There is a reason for his name "the one above all". Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know,. Otherwise he gets stopped by the big guns of Marvel who are multiversal++ like TOAA, The Beyonders (the race), The Fulcrum, Tiamut, Protege, PR Beyonder, PR Molecule Man, Scathan, The Living Tribunal, Heart of the Universe Thanos, etc. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. and to become. 3. Almighty and TOAA are essentially the same thing so there's really no debate. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. it would be mostly stalemate. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. Khael. They’re both fairly obvious picks. The Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity as are the Celestials. Impossibly powerful and unimaginably wise, the Living Trinity's power far outclasses beings like Thanos, Galactus, and the Celestials!. Premium Powerups . Beyonder would just toy with the Spectre. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The. TOAA is above all. . Max Deen. So this battle is TOAA vs. Sylvester Stallone, Jason Staham, Bruce Willis, Van Damme, Vin Diesel and Chuck Norris start fighting each other. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. Forum Posts. Ima go with byonder. Meaning he became everything and everyone. The One Above All (Marvel Comics) + The Presence (DC Comics) CONDITIONS: Versions: Strongest known canon versions. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". So my problem here is while debating with Beyonder fans. At least, not anymore. Here is a scan where he states even he was shaped by external forces and he couldn't defeat the Great Evil Beast" camp and the "Yeah-huh, that scan is inconclusive as he could be referring to the writers and since the GEB was his other half, it might be just. Rorschach vs Dr. ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". so the problem is that, Oblivion kinda has an upgrade in ranks during the decades, in the past Oblivion was kinda in the same rank that Eternity, Infinite and lady death, but in more modern comics, is hinted that he is way above that, The Chaos King that was revealed to be just a avatar of oblivion, basically a strand of oblivion hair, was above Eternity, The Griever that was destroying the. Pre-retcon Beyonder was insanely overpowered, and even though subsequent balance adjustments severely nerfed his powers, he still kept his insane reality-altering incalculable strength and much of his superhuman physique. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. BTW, even when Beyonder killed Death. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Vs. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. There was a guy that could copy powers that defeated the LT. Beyonder is marvel. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in DC. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. 1. Marvel had two God's, then changed to One Above. and it's the rules of the. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. LT has always been 2nd to TOAA he's the sole judge of the multiverse and right hand man or thing of TOAA Beyonder would lose. vs. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. The Chaos gods are tough to kill as they are powered by and represent concepts. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. Pre Retcon Beyonder. I see him as toaa's equal. Register Sign in. #33 Edited By The_Scourge. Im well aware that TOAA is the supreme being in marvel but zeus is king of the gods and he became the supreme. As you stated King, there's really nothing we know of the Primal Monitor, so Beyonder wins by feats alone. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. Beyonder is an omnipotent being, and it was often described as another version of TOAA and was a representation of a Marvel writer same as TOAA. He was TOAA, before he was introduced. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. So, unless you think that Beyonder is >> TOAA and Presence, then your statement is absolute hyperbole and highly inaccurate. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. The power of love is said to be a threat. That said, TOAA and The Presence are both omnipotent, so neither one of them can actually defeat the other, but at the same time they can both defeat the other, but the other can undo the other, while the other undoes the other's undoing just before the other defeats the other by removing the other except the other removes the other while. Hands down. Situation 2:DC easily takes this, just because of the existence of characters like Lucifer, Superman Prime, Darkseid, Anti-Monitor and Manhattan. The Beyonder was basically another Omniverse's TOAA. Mxy on the other hand erased every universe that ever existed and seemed to be also aware of a author, and Beyonder was described as a god in his own universe, essentially TOAA. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, and Scan 4. Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. Those guy would curbstomp Manhatten. Also Beyonder could do pretty much anything while Lord of Nightmare does not have any feats. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Toba Hulk 7. GER is well above the league of the Infinity Gauntlet. Follow 1627. Juntai. 3. The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Forum Posts. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. 5 T. Her being outclassed "heavily" would require some actual analysis of their respective abilities (and weaknesses), this definitely doesn't seem to be a stomp at first glance, as even with my admittedly very limited knowledge of Umineko, I recall. 115 26. Oldfather 18. The point of the whole story is that Beyonder explicitly turns himself into a human flesh form that is capable of experiencing all of the joys and sorrows that come. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. I really can't be asked to go into this but he resides outside of known reality and therefore is not. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Yes. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. You. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. . That's the reason because the Choushin suspected all the time that a being higher than them existed. She-hulk and GoS Loki can both negate/resist the affect of Plot Manipulation user, she-hulk forced her writer to rewrite her story and GoS Loki was able. Aug 9, 2016 #10 Overseer due to wiki rules you must request a content revision and debate for this changes. Beyonder 16. 9. Not once. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. beyonder Yep, lol. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. Bugs' power of seduction could also cause significant problems for the Beyonder, as Bugs has. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). u/nullfather can attest to that. All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification. Spectre is backed by the Presence, he regularly gets owned by lesser beings. Its highly subjective since Superman is kind of featless. the Beyonder was the supreme being of the Marvel Universe before the introduction of TOAA or Oblivion. Beyonder vs Everyone else in Marvel . So he could just kill them and the concepts they represent. Beyonder - vs - The One-Above-All # 54. Meaning he became everything and everyone. Follow 77. TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. Stop the omnipotent debate, the closest thing to that is Pre Retcon Beyonder in the 80s and TOAA for later eras on average. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the. Pre-retcon Beyonder. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. TOAA vs Johnny would require more context for a battle though. LT is backed by TOAA, he was still shown to be less than a fly to the Beyonder. 0. Recall the first being that we met who called itself a Beyonder. Based on the events post Secret Wars, TOAA is supposed to be beyond the Beyonder. TOAA mops the floor with these two. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. ago. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. ReplyThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. Classic Beyonder is the most powerful being ever imagined by TOAA and drawn. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. • 7 mo. Round 3: TOAA vs pre retcon beyonder (not sure if he’s actually omnipotent) Bonus: if all three lose, than TOAA vs all three together This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Coldsocial • Additional comment actions. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. The Heart of the Universe makes this rather one sided. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true beyonders come from outside of our multiverse as well when instead they merely come form another dimension to our universe. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. ' beyonder is millions of times more powerful thsn LT, TOAA, Fulcrum and every other Marvel guy combined. 3080. 7K subscribers Join Subscribe 3K. And although they themselves are Drawings to us (God appeared on panel in FF#511) EVERYTHING else in Marvel is Drawings to them, from Thanos/THOTI to Aunt May. The glory (Dr. Reviews: 0. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters here. So there are two possibilities here. 56 results. 3. A Golden Age Mxyzptlk is pitted against the "Secret Wars" era Beyonder. there are many verse bigger and stronger than marvel like DC. Buuuuut, Molecule man currently is back to his old power levels. . Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. The Beyonder in. 2. Reply. TOAA is a god for gods. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. Further to that point, the Pre ret Beyonder buy his own admission could be affected by the power of the M'kraan crystal. Yamcha will use his 0,00000000000001% power and Speed Equalized for this don't become a Spite Thread. u/nullfather can attest to that. Jul 30, 2018. The comics have so many meta layers, and TOAA is at the top, so he should scale above Buddha Wukong. Bob, Agent of Hydra vs TOAA. Like this for instance in Secret Wars II beyonder was beyond the marvel multiverse, multiverse then later there was suddenly a omniverse all governed by TOAA, TOAA began with a multiverse and suddenly got a omniverse to play with, but do you see him get retcon no, but his power just grow exponentially, the same with LT in Secret Wars II he was. Hajun, if not Beyonder. So I might be missing something. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). infinity - infinity is still fucking infinity. s. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Even The. Pre-retcon Beyonder is crazy powerful, powerful enough to stomp the LT, but infinitely weak compared to TOAA. TOAA was the only true Omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being and would. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. 4. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. No one can defeat that. Then things get more murky. Viners voted on it. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. . 4. TOAA have failed. So, I have TOAA (plot device) above the PR Beyonder (character). 0 coins. Same with Beyonder and TOAA. Technically God exists as a character on Earth called Yahweh, which is his Jewish name, meaning He does exist as Yahweh/God/Allah in the comics, but how we perceive God in our universe as an all-powerful, unstoppable force of nature is how TOAA is, except he's on an Omniversal scale. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. Isnt TOBA far weaker and limited than TOAABeyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U!The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. Jan 29, 2017. 5 years ago. @DJSNuva1 said: " Bruce=God Beyonder<God "Not true. Situation 3:If all of them are bloodlusted, the battle ends in less than a minute with the last standing being TOAA and Presence. . The Beyonder even confirmed that he was fully Omnipotent, being on-par with TOAA since he was able to defeat Molecule Man, who Eternity, Infinity and other Cosmic Abstract entities, including The Living Tribunal were frightened of and Molecule Man was specified to be the most powerful being in Marvel, but Molecule Man was absolutely terrified. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Beyonder is too big for the multiverse, his very presence alters the entire multiverse a great deal, without him even knowing it - Scan 1 and Scan 2The One-Above-All was created by Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo and first appeared in Fantastic Four #511. Max Deen. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. fangirl101. Dormammu said: Beyonder outclasses her heavily, Featherine would be a better match. Aug 10, 2018 #25 Well beyonder is just fiction to oblivion. In Marvel he is just that, Above All. Beyonder - Millions of times as powerful as the Multiverse combined, but almost dies from being hit by The Phoenix Force and the sum of the Multiverse, proving his base self can't sustain that. Hykuu. TOAA isn't omnipotent. Team stomps 50% . 1. [12] He is also. No . (Is a Aspect of true TOAA, probably the Strongest aspect, because he dreams everything in marvel except the HOI, and he dreamed the love and hate the weapons of TOBA, and TOAA,. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. No Alien X & No Ascalon and no Godly powers ups like Phoenix/Beyonder/Captain Universe/Cosmic Cube Round 2. Hulk wins, he keeps getting madder and stronger and than thunderclaps the one above all and TOAA only wishes he could negate that dreadful healing factor plus the Hulk can jump really high up in. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. As he had the ability to stop the Beyonder(s) should he have chosen. Cactus. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. The One Above All has no equal. The more powerful Thanos becomes, CA Superman will surpass it. Stalemate. 1 Answer. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. #3 jwwprod. Follow 331. if anything. That authority to lt was given by toaa while beyonder didn't get that authority from toaa. 8 years ago. Situation 1: Stalemate, because of the bizarre power levels. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. His. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. Both fighters understand to sum level that they each "become more powerful over time" but not the specifics (adapting to survive/zenkai boosts and transformations)The PR Beyonder was hands-down the most powerful antagonist Marvel ever produced, and the greatest multiverse-buster from any company. 0. Beyonder curbstomp slaughterhouse. Thanos mastering the Heart of the Universe does not equal him to infinity, or the one above all. Given that he included the IG, its fair to assume that he wanted it to work. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. I dunno. Toaa 2. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Beyonder stomps. Yeah All Mighty Wins. if we are highballing then this Beyonder said to be the toaa before the toaa meaing he is omnipotent. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. ago Almighty wins against Beyonder and Oblivion. Sẽ có sự nhầm lẫn, Beyonder là hiện thân của Đa vũ trụ, là tập hợp các yếu tố định luật vật lý của đa Vũ trụ lúc chưa hình thành, nghĩa là ở một đẳng cấp mà không một thực thể hay. Beyonder is beyond the universe. he could just copy TOAA and become the new TOAA himself. This allows him to teleport billions of people, establish telepathic linkages between realities, and even employ it in battle. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. Retconed Beyonder. show 6 replies. 1%. Victory by permanent death or erasure. Sppople. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. s. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. This could also be used as. Neutral TOAA, is a dubious omnipotent being, it just depends on the will of the writers. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. 2. Well the Beyonder is infinite dimensional as well. vs. Wiki Points. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Spiderman Cosmic Comic 8. s. ". He is True Omnipotent inside. s. . The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence 2. Words that describe the idea that Beyonder is equal to TOAA. Are there any scans that show toaa being superior to pre retcon beyonder?About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. While the Living Tribunal is still the judge officially, the Phoenix Force can do everything the. . He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. The supreme maker does indeed scale above all possibilities, but i'm not sure that would beat toaa, but if you wank that hyperspace scan TSM has more of a chance against him. He is the true Monotheistic Supreme God of the Marvel Omniverse and the sole master of the cosmic overseer; The Living Tribunal. The TOAA and Presence will beat Beyonder but if you look at my first post. I nominate the presence and toaa for this. And such a thing as "above omnipotence" doesn't exist. Forum Posts. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. He is the most powerful creation in all of Marvel, if not fiction. If this. 14 years ago. DarkGodBane • 7 yr. Poll The Scarlet King vs TOAA, Azathoth, Lucifer Morningstar, Empty Hand and Pre Retcon Beyonder (12 votes) Scarlet King 50% . . Beyonder is literally the strongest being in marvel only second to toaa period. I think Darwin will take it 7/10 since you removed the "flight" option of fight or flight. The-One-Above-All (also known as "Above All Others" or ''God'') is the overarching protagonist of the Marvel Universe. I'm thinking Thanos. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his. Spectre probably. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. The Beyonder and the One-Above-All both have a decent claim to being the most powerful character in the Marvel Universe. The-One-Above-All is the supreme creator of all existence in the Marvel omniverse and is. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. 1 year ago. Requiring no energies to sustain him as Galactus does, Oblivion can choose not to be affected by the mortal plane if he doesn't want to be, a feat that few - including Galactus - cannot claim. Scenary: Cell Games Arena (Indestructible) Saibaimen not allowed Both TOAA, Madoka, Presence and Galactus with full power. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. Kitsunw. " im sick of Beyonder. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) vs Beatrice both at 1A who will win´╝ƒ. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. I see no one equal to the gods of DC and Marvel: The Presence and The One Above All. He definitely isn't TOAA level outside maybe his own reality. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. -5. 9 years ago. Even if it logically and rationally. Normal beyonder loses terribly 13 years ago. The One Above All is literally God. There would be no fight. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true. 13 years agoEdit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. PRB and TOAA are both on equal grounds as Supreme Beings. Blunt statement, and based on common misconception. beyonder was easily destroying multi verses. The first 3 scans are 4th wall breaking/meta fiction for beyonder. 8 years ago. Beyonder Doom 14. I see through many eyes. Definitely Beyonder. #9 Edited By AtPhantom. This. matchups like these are. The Living Tribunal answers only to TOAA and is regarded by him and every other abstract entity in Marvel as being omnipotent and literally "above" them all in terms of power and importance. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. [11] The One-Above-All is the sole creator of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse and possibly the Omniverse. In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Jayfournines. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. #12 Edited By Montaq. At this point who’s the strongest character this doom could beat and who would be the. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. The power of the Life Force is a direct powerup from TOAA. 11 years ago. God Emperor Doom got his powers from the same Beyonders that Phoenix is confirmed to be above, so it doesn’t matter if you want to take the retconned versions or not, Phoenix will always be stronger than Doom. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. given TOAA's omnipotence is dependent on certain factors he's not a true omnipotent and doesn't have better feats than pre recton Beyonder, so being toaa or not wouldn't matterIs the Beyonder's anti-feat considered and do we take "omnipotence" at face value? Is Above All Others considered to be the same character as The One Above All, giving this entity an anti-feat? For the most part, I'd say TOAA is even beyond The Pre-Retcon Beyonder, but I can see arguments for why this isn't the case, or arguments for them. It hardly even implies that the last frontier is TOAA while basically directly saying that there are beings stronger than TOAA, And when confronted they will say ‘It obviously means rl, Source: Trust me Bro’ when the only reason it could mean that is because it mentions Loki and Beyonder wanting to go to the Real World. By Kevin Irizarry Updated Mar 28, 2023 The Beyonder and the One-Above-All are godlike beings in the Marvel Universe, but one is definitely a more supreme being. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC.